Refuting the errors of Jonathan Neville and the Heartland hoax

Sunday, August 25, 2019

Wait—is that a PEEP STONE??

The following image is from the Heartlander illustrated book for children, It Came to Pass WHERE?, by Val Chadwick Bagley.

Bagley follows Jonathan Neville’s “two sets of plates” theory, and he quotes Neville’s book Whatever Happened to the golden [sic] Plates? in the sidebar:
Val Chadwick Bagley It Came to Pass WHERE? 2 Sets of Plates
Wait just a moment…is that…a PEEP STONE??
Val Chadwick Bagley It Came to Pass WHERE? 2 Sets of Plates detail image
Val Chadwick Bagley It Came to Pass WHERE? 2 Sets of Plates detail text
Why is a Heartlander book—one for children, no less!—teaching about “peep stones”?

Didn’t Jonathan Neville warn us two weeks ago about “teaching kids about peep stones”?
I’m quite curious how the rising generation is going to handle the peep stone-in-a-hat narrative. Going back to the 1834 book Mormonism Unvailed, the peep stone-in-a-hat narrative has been pretty effective at persuading people to reject what Joseph and Oliver taught.

I suspect that success will continue with today’s generations.
How could Neville allow his words to be quoted in what amounts to an anti-Mormon book for children?


(In case there’s any question, the preceding post was intended to be tongue-in-cheek.)


  1. Heartlanders are engaged in something of a process of writing revisionist history of their own movement. Neville or the Stoddards come up with some strange, ad hoc theory, and then seemingly overnight all of the Heartlanders start acting like it’s what they always believed and taught.

    1. i suspect that all the theories about locations are wrong. I will leave it to the Lord to reveal the actual locations when He sees fit, through His prophet. All of these theories are just that, theories. I believe this is why the Church has recently begun to encourage neutrality on the subject.
      All we really know is that Joseph got the plates, and all the other items, from Moroni in the large hill, sometimes called Cumorah, in Palmyra New York. All the rest is supposition. We must be cautious to avoid attacks toward one group or another because we know that the father of contention is the devil.


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