tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5081650521640947681.post7720406325848116133..comments2024-03-26T10:40:16.250-06:00Comments on Neville-Neville Land: Jonathan Neville believes President Nelson is “undercutting the basic premise for the Restoration”Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5081650521640947681.post-27134172528466074292022-07-21T10:42:35.011-06:002022-07-21T10:42:35.011-06:00To follow up on John Pack Lambert's comment, I...To follow up on John Pack Lambert's comment, I'm not aware of any well-known Mesoamerican Book of Mormon researchers who believe Zarahemla was present-day Guatemala City. GC is at an elevation of 4,900 feet, much higher than areas to its north, so it's a better candidate for the city of Lehi–Nephi, which was in the southern highlands held by the Lamanites.<br /><br />For a rundown on the major theories and where they place Lehi–Nephi and Zarahemla, see:<br />http://bookofmormonresources.blogspot.com/2018/12/toward-consensus-on-nephi-and-zarahemla.htmlPeterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04120374705032268459noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5081650521640947681.post-91694982183110509902022-07-21T09:33:39.530-06:002022-07-21T09:33:39.530-06:00To make any evidence in a film say what you want i...To make any evidence in a film say what you want it to say, you need to prove that what is shown is done for a reason other than budget. I am also wondering how much palm trees versus hardwood trees are the right thing to have in pre-Columbian Guatemala City, which is the general site some have proposed for Zarahemla. It is high in the mountains, not on the coast. <br /><br />I do not think any reputable historians or archeologist anywhere would argue that the walls Samuel is shown atop in Arnold Freiburg's paitings existed anywhere in the Americas in the pre-Columbian era. Any artistic work takes some artistic licesne, and that often involves reproductions that the artist knows are not at all true to the past. There are limits to how truly the past can be represented in art. To begin with your actors are all modern people, not ancient people, and so in some key ways they will never truly replicate the ancient people they are depicting. You when casting and costuming make decisions on what you want to represent about the past, but any representation of what people are wearing in something set in the first century BC is going to have guesses, and I am sure if we could have a time machine we would find that some of our gueses are just plain wrong.John Pack Lamberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05086707132348039415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5081650521640947681.post-68927662102953197922019-12-30T15:29:13.686-07:002019-12-30T15:29:13.686-07:00I’m not convinced that one video produced by the C...I’m not convinced that one video produced by the Church in 2014 proves anything. The Lamanite warriors in the opening of the film are using the macuahuitl, a Mesoamerican weapon.<br /><br />https://youtu.be/O1AI3bSXSCAPeterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04120374705032268459noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5081650521640947681.post-80465318833674778532019-12-28T13:26:00.892-07:002019-12-28T13:26:00.892-07:00Watch the short video, Scripture Legacy, produced ...Watch the short video, Scripture Legacy, produced by the Church, now available on YouTube as well as on Church of Jesus Christ.org. It was first aired between conference sessions, Sunday, April 2014. Palm trees and stone building have been replaced by hardwood trees and mounded edifices. HansDochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01625361571710777154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5081650521640947681.post-57642056916519662622019-11-15T12:30:55.731-07:002019-11-15T12:30:55.731-07:00Exactly. The reason "M2C" is the preval...Exactly. The reason "M2C" is the prevalent theory is because it has the most convincing evidence and arguments. If another theory had these, then I could see the Church giving it equal consideration in publications, CES classes, artwork, etc. <br /><br />Also, since the Brethren would have to be extremely uninformed for this conspiracy to be true, does Neville believe that they are? It seems to me from his and other Heartlanders' writings that they have the unfortunate belief that prophets are simply ventriloquist dummies; the Lord controls them like a puppet and His words are spoken through them word for word, exactly as He says them. In this way, the prophets can't think for themselves and are thus susceptible to the "machinations" of the "M2C citation cartel". But if this were the case, wouldn't the Lord warn them that they are being deceived? Nothing about the Heartland conspiracy theory makes sense. <br /><br />Also, I have heard Heartlanders cite President Hinckley's admitting to being tricked by Mark Hofmann and his forgeries as precedent for the imaginary situation today in which the Brethren are being deceived by scholars. The important difference is that in the Hoffman case, the Church was very careful to say that the documents they purchased from Hoffman had not yet been authenticated, and advised caution in their use, both in official Church settings and personally. No such disclaimers have been issued about Mesoamerican evidence for the Book of Mormon. Davidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5081650521640947681.post-79651471519136507452019-11-12T13:54:52.584-07:002019-11-12T13:54:52.584-07:00In June 2019, Jonathan Neville responded to two cr...In June 2019, Jonathan Neville responded to two criticisms leveled on this blog (<a href="https://www.nevillenevilleland.com/2019/06/jonathan-neville-finally-responds-to.html" rel="nofollow">see here</a>), but he hasn’t written anything that I’m aware of in response to us pointing out that he’s being critical of the Brethren themselves.<br /><br />What so fascinating about his view of things is that, if his conspiracy theories were true, the Brethren would have to be extremely uninformed not to see what’s going on right under their noses. The fact that the Brethren haven’t acted to stop “M2C” indicates to me that they don’t agree with the theories of Neville and other Heartlanders.<br /><br />(I know some other things as well that I’m not at liberty to disclose that back up that conclusion.)Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04120374705032268459noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5081650521640947681.post-64936852547145799132019-11-12T13:43:55.528-07:002019-11-12T13:43:55.528-07:00It probably won't be long if he keeps on the s...It probably won't be long if he keeps on the same path. I pray he recognizes what he is doing before that happens. Has he ever responded to these concerns about his writings that are apostasy-laden? Does he just write such concerns off by explaining that he is not really criticizing Church leaders because they have been "misled" by scholars? Davidnoreply@blogger.com