tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5081650521640947681.post722606795153313149..comments2024-03-26T10:40:16.250-06:00Comments on Neville-Neville Land: Jonathan Neville continues to mislead about the Church’s position on seer stonesUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5081650521640947681.post-15185399167011877302022-07-06T09:05:08.554-06:002022-07-06T09:05:08.554-06:00Unfortunately, you are not the first to compare (o...Unfortunately, you are not the first to compare (or imply through your questions) the Apostles' acceptance of actual historical records involving the seer stone to the Hofmann forgeries. And, frankly, this is a strenuous comparison that fails to deliver anything sound to stand on.<br /><br />Ignoring the fact that there is a clear difference between authentic historical records upon which all historians must rely should they provide an authentic retelling of events and documents made in the basement of a psychotic murderer’s home and the apparent conspiracy among CES employees to hide this from Church leaders, looking at the events surrounding the Hofmann forgeries, it is clear that Church leaders were not entirely convinced of their authenticity. Many statements by President Hinckley affirm his thoughts on the matter and reflect his suspicion towards their forged status. He procured them so that these documents could be examined by experts and the truth made known–something that could not be guaranteed would happen should they be in the hands of a private collector. Some Church leaders may have believed they were authentic, that is always a possibility–but making umbrella claims like this simply does not fit the public statements made by the Church or its leaders at the time.<br /><br />I am related to someone who was even brought in by the Church to help determine whether or not the forgeries in question were authentic (with many who brought him on doubting the authenticity themselves), and he and other historians reached the conclusion that they were not. The Church was not blindly taken in by every wisp of new historical documentation. Historiography is not done in such a weak manner. <br /><br />See https://www.fairlatterdaysaints.org/answers/Forgeries_related_to_Mormonism/Mark_Hofmann Spencer Kraushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14779082393070350818noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5081650521640947681.post-215124940479116102022-07-06T08:51:57.547-06:002022-07-06T08:51:57.547-06:00No nerve has been struck. You wrote that “Neville ...No nerve has been struck. You wrote that “Neville does bring up good questions about things many people have wondered about for many years,” so you seem to believe that Neville’s questions have value. I responded to the questions you asked—“Is it possible…?”, “Why should we…?”, “What if…?”—by pointing out how the claims implicit in them are both dangerous and foolish. I’m not sure where the supposed misunderstanding is.Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04120374705032268459noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5081650521640947681.post-82776953426089235912022-07-05T23:27:43.316-06:002022-07-05T23:27:43.316-06:00I seem to have struck a nerve. Please accept my ap...I seem to have struck a nerve. Please accept my apologies. Whatever you thought I was claiming wasn’t intended. I honestly can’t see those claims in my questions. I just wanted your opinion and I would say I got it! It’s all good. I’ll just chalk this one up to a misunderstanding. <br /><br />Lastly, I didn’t ask anything about heartlanders. You offered that dis yourself.Captain Hamptonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14503382395429387494noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5081650521640947681.post-67144589867537833762022-07-05T21:52:07.676-06:002022-07-05T21:52:07.676-06:00Claiming that President Nelson (along with all oth...Claiming that President Nelson (along with all other living members of the First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve Apostles) is “misinformed” or “myopic” is a very dangerous position to take. You’re skating on thin ice if you’re arguing that all of the leaders of the Church have been “tricked” into teaching false doctrine.<br /><br />https://www.nevillenevilleland.com/2019/11/jonathan-neville-believes-brethren-are-dupes.html<br /><br />Furthermore, it’s absurd to claim that Church employees and educators at all levels throughout the Church are part of some grand conspiracy to mislead the Brethren and the Saints for some undefined reason. Comparing good, faithful, and accomplished Latter-day Saint scholars to the fraudulent con artist Mark Hofmann is not only ludicrous, it’s insulting. (It’s also ironic, because Heartlanders accept forged artifacts like the Michigan Relics as authentic.)<br /><br />https://www.nevillenevilleland.com/2020/05/jonathan-neville-and-hofmann-saga.htmlPeterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04120374705032268459noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5081650521640947681.post-44384439829751863432022-07-05T21:20:15.406-06:002022-07-05T21:20:15.406-06:00Neville does bring up good questions about things ...Neville does bring up good questions about things many people have wondered about for many years. Is it possible that President Nelson could be misinformed by history department and BYU academics? It’s no secret that anyone who has gone to any university to find over-zealous academics types. What’s your guys’ take? Why should we blindly trust the professional church history employees and BYU academics at their word? There is precedent for church leaders being misinformed/tricked (see the link). What if the tricksters are good intentioned, faithful members of the Church? They’re just… myopic? <br /><br />https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Hofmann?wprov=sfti1Captain Hamptonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14503382395429387494noreply@blogger.com