tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5081650521640947681.post3951987664350162782..comments2024-03-26T10:40:16.250-06:00Comments on Neville-Neville Land: Jonathan Neville (finally) responds to the Neville Land blogUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5081650521640947681.post-68807204890621786052021-01-30T09:53:14.717-07:002021-01-30T09:53:14.717-07:00Hi, J. Thanks for leaving a comment.
I care becau...Hi, J. Thanks for leaving a comment.<br /><br />I care because Nevilleʼs opinions arentʼt just different; theyʼre leading people away from the Church of Jesus Christ and the living prophets who have been called to administer it. Personal revelation is good and important, but personal revelation does not trump the teachings of living prophets and apostles.<br /><br />Christ frequently confronted Pharisees, Saducees, lawyers, and scribes who distorted and perverted Godʼs teachings. Jonathan Neville is a modern-day example of such people. His teachings are false and dangerous, and he should be exposed for the snake-oil salesman that he is for the protection of innocent members of the Church who may be swayed by his rhetoric.Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04120374705032268459noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5081650521640947681.post-52522023456202905602021-01-30T09:16:49.229-07:002021-01-30T09:16:49.229-07:00Why do you care what Neville thinks or says, seems...Why do you care what Neville thinks or says, seems like a waste of time to be obsessed with the opinion or another. Pres Nelson asked us in the last two conferences to learn to hear the spirit and then receive personal revelation. Let people follow the spirit and determine for themselves through the spirit is something is true or false. Seems like a waste of time and not very Christ like to go after somebody because they have a different opinion than you do. Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06662128488415336408noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5081650521640947681.post-41920148385084077742019-07-18T21:53:05.798-06:002019-07-18T21:53:05.798-06:00Del Dowdell has also eviscerated Neville's cla...Del Dowdell has also eviscerated Neville's claims on his blog. nephicode.blogspot.com<br /><br /><br />I do recommend this study guide of the Andes model:<br /><br />http://www.2bc.info/Misc/Evidences.pdf<br />George Washingtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09408308975569715587noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5081650521640947681.post-38889402951928124372019-06-27T23:16:21.692-06:002019-06-27T23:16:21.692-06:00Okay, this led me to some good brushing up on hist...Okay, this led me to some good brushing up on history I'd forgotten and study of what exactly the scriptures say about Joseph and Oliver.<br /><br />Joseph was ordained an Apostle by PJ&J, and Oliver was ordained an Apostle by either Joseph or PJ&J (20:3 and 27:12 each hint differently). 20:38-45 makes it sound like an Apostle, at this point, is an Elder+, with the extra involving being a witness of the divinity of the Book of Mormon and leading the church. <br /><br />In 21:1-9 Joseph is identified as a prophet and seer and translator and apostle, which perhaps indicates that being a prophet is not automatic when one is ordained an Apostle (so Neville calling Oliver a prophet in the sense of revealing stuff for the whole church is lacking in scriptural justification). It goes on at length about how Joseph, and only Joseph, speaks and leads on Christ's behalf. Oliver, by contrast, gets thre only three verses about ordaining Joseph (an elder?) and preaching the gospel.<br /><br />Section 28 really drives this home: Joseph is the prophet and does the speaking for God. Oliver most emphatically does not <br /><br />So Neville is technically correct--my apologies for commenting too quickly and carelessly--that Oliver was an Apostle. But Oliver's apostleship was all about preaching the gospel and supporting Joseph and not at all about receiving revelation. Neville makes Oliver out to have more revelatory authority than he actually had.<br /><br />Ugh, I hate feeling like I'm bashing on Oliver, an extraordinary and justly revered saint. Dang heartlanders.Cassandrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15311688711375689631noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5081650521640947681.post-23321197692038569872019-06-27T21:44:37.978-06:002019-06-27T21:44:37.978-06:00Ah, good catch! Thanks!
— PeterAh, good catch! Thanks!<br /><br />— PeterPeter Panhttps://www.nevillenevilleland.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5081650521640947681.post-64238008547657282682019-06-27T21:42:41.599-06:002019-06-27T21:42:41.599-06:00From your post:
"Neville asserts that, becau...From your post:<br /><br />"Neville asserts that, because Brigham “was well acquainted with Oliver” and “both men were ordained apostles and prophets” and “both were motivated to teach the truth,” that therefore Oliver must have “conveyed the information in private.”"<br /><br />Neville is wrong. Oliver was not an Apostle.Cassandranoreply@blogger.com